Not to mention the Pandavas themselves. You should make Ann account on quora . He never protested Durdodhyan in all cheating. So Dharma was a clear winner and hope you support Dharma as well. This is the same country that was ruled by Janaka (the father of Sita from Ramayana). Posted by Unknown … He just supported the cruel Duryodhan with out raising a question. Karna is the adopted son of a charioteer (Adhiratha), who is of Suta or Souta caste. As per pandavas fanatics, Arjuna didn’t cheated Karna as per BORI … Karna offering his wives to foot soldiers of his enemy's army. However they were divided into many groups Bhagadatta was just one of their 8 (eight) kings. Fact check... Analyzing Karna's performance in the Kurukshetra war. I only trust two sources. So what is the bravery in defeating them? This is a big mismatch in the epic just like above paragraph that indicates lord Krishna himself failed in Swayamvara. In KMG there are two narratives which are used by Karna fans to prove that Karna had defeated Bhagadatta in his conquest.The first narrative is of the Vana Parva where the Digvijaya of Karna is described.But according to BORI the whole description of Digvijaya of Karna is an interpolation.BORI clearly removed that section where the Digvijaya of Karna is described. 40) According to BORI CE, Arjuna predicting that the wives of Karna are going to be widows and Shri Krishna will see them as widows is an interpolation . I think it's mentioned in the Bhagavatham and possibly some puranas too. Infact nowhere it is written that karna regained his sense so losing sense is out of context. Moreover, Karna seldom used the invincible Vijay Dhanush except for his final duel with Arjuna while the latter used Gandhiva throughout his life. So he could be an interpolated character, nothing is told about him and he is only mentioned to make Karna look good. Now, the defeats of Karna according to the original Mahabharata: 1- By gandharvas: 'O king! Yes, no doubt Arjuna was a great warrior who could be defeated by only a few exceptional warriors. All authentic versions mention that Karna fought him and won.But i do not trust Bhagavatam as it is a fan-fiction written after Mahabharata. Unknown king only mentioned twice, by Shalya and Bhishma. That too when talking to Karna. He tooks a nonsense oath towards unlawful Duryodhan and helped him for doing all sins. Karna's Digvijaya according to BORI Critical Edition Mahabharata. Biased arguments. Most reporters (Shalya & Bhishma the only unbiased ones) agree that Karna only defeated 5 opponents. Karna did not defeat any army called Narayani sena. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna never fell unconscious rather he was just stunned (amazed) Karna swooning episode is an interpolation as per BORI Critical Edition of mahabharata. After all you should realize that Mahabharata war was between Dharma and Adharma in which mighty warriors like BHISMA and Dronacharya who didn't used any divyastras were also defeated and sacrificed their lives(Even Arjuna didn't used his Divine weapons to avoid huge destruction on Earth but where Karna has used Vasavi shakti and Nagastra). Quote: " Then Duryodhana, Karna and Subala’s son Shakuni tried many other means to kill the Pandavas. DIGVIJAY OF KARNA – (BORI CE) This is the most awaited thread and finally posting on the demand of karnians. That Karna was racist towards Gandharas. I'm surprised but all these are indeed true according to BORI.C.E.Check the references. Karna (Sanskrit: कर्ण, IAST: Karṇa), also known as Vasusena, Anga-raja, and Radheya, is one of the major characters of the Hindu epic Mahābhārata. It's a big misconception that Arjuna killed Karna by cheating and by using unfair means but according to BORI CE which is the most authentic version of Vyasa Mahabharata, Arjuna killed Karna in a fair fight.All the references provided here are from Bibek Debroy translation of BORI CE 15. Being thus oppressed by a great army, they were frightened. Karna did not fight any Gandharvas in his campaign. He never thought about what common people wants. Karna did not conquer the world or earth. Karna fans don't like this because a lot of slokas related to Karna have been removed in this edition.But the fact is,all those slokas were interpolations.BORI has referred thousands of Manuscripts, those slokas must be present only in few manuscripts and were not there in others or perhaps they had some contradictory slokas in other manuscripts.This is the reason why those slokas … Screenshot (to prove that "Madra" is in modern-day Punjab): Satyaki's achievements in the Mahabharata. Karna was involved in a conspiracy to kill the Drupad his daughter's Swayamvara. According to BORI, Draupadi was the only woman in our history who married multiple men. And beholding the son of Surya--Karna of the Suta tribe--like unto fire, or Soma, or Surya himself, resolved to shoot the mark, those foremost of bowmen--the sons of Pandu--regarded the mark as already shot and brought down upon the ground. By the way, somewhere I have read that Krishna married a daughter of Nagnajit. And what right did karna have to harm them (the pandavas) anyways? ". Go get some life kiddo, "You were present in the Kurukshetra and watching lord Sri Krishna lowering the chariot". karna was smuggling women from magadha into anga, False not a drop of truth read bori CE u are manipulating facts it's opposite of what you say which is written in bori CE. We bring you 10 lesser known stories about the ‘suryaputra’, … Because the conquest of Afghanistan is a feat that has only been repeated by Alexander the Great & Genghis Khan. if he did then he wouldn't need to come back to the same place that he already conquered (Matsya) and if it was a great achievement then karna would not be bashed for comparing himself to Arjuna. FAIR DEATH OF KARNA BY ARJUNA. "Karna was stronger" - Karna and Arjuna fought in 3 wars - first at Draupadi Swayamvara, then in Virata Parva, finally at Kurukshetra. Moreover, he killed Shakuni's father!! So Karna basically beat up a woman's father because his friend Duryodhana wanted her. Instead he only conquered the tribe of Gandharas (the people that lived in the kingdom of "Gandhar", Sakuni's people). Satyaki vs Karna according to Bori Mahabharata. Why would Karna have to defeat the same dynasty twice? If adharma has won in Mahabharata, you wouldn't be using your gadget and typing some stupid comments here. Karna conquered the whole world REALLY? And also Bhima was an all rounder thus the mahabharata describes his use of multiple different weapons. The character we talk about the least is Karna - the ill-fated guy, the low-born king and the man who was accidentally cursed several times. And don't forget that the text says both of them brought the maiden with "them" meaning karna also touched the maiden and must have offended her. The same country that has been defeated by India in many wars. They were kind of like the Indian version of mongols and Huns. So, Karna attacked Gandharas and not Gandharvas!!!! Very interesting. A celestial bow has many advantages over an ordinary bow which favoured Arjuna in many wars. FAIR DEATH OF KARNA BY ARJUNA. They were righteous people that never did anything bad to him. According to the Grand-sire only 5 wars were won by Karna (in the Digvijaya). Karna was only absent for 10 days. Some say he conquered the world, others say he only conquered a few kingdoms, some say he conquered just second rate kings, others even say that Karna just defeated one king and then started to believe that he conquered the whole world. His only ambition was to prove himself as a greatest warrior. But is it not odd that the same Magadha who's previous lord (Jarasandha) was defeated by Karna long ago is now engaging in a second conflict with Karna? So i guess we can give Karna some props for this. Everything else is fake. with Shalya in the Karna Parva, it is found out that he considered the Gandharas an uncivilized people. 39) According to BORI CE, Karna conquering his fatigue is an interpolation because Karna was tired before final battle and Arjuna was exceedingly tired still Karna failed to defeat him. Sale Ban hi pada rah Videshi hokar indian bolta hai apne aap ko chutiye. "Then, O bull among the Bharatas, that mighty bowman, Karna, surrounded by a large army, besieged the beautiful city of Drupada. I'm surprised Krishna enver chose to challenge him or even speak about this incident. Exhibiting both nobility and nastiness, this popular character was always by Duryodhana's side and opposed the pandavas in every way possible. But you didn't respond for 150 DAYS. Well it has been FIVE MONTHS that is the equivalent of OVER 150 DAYS. Some have in their blood to prove against mainstream facts. This leads me to doubt that Karna even defeated Jarasandha then. Even USA & Russia failed to conquer Afghanistan. Yet, he displays great valor, honor and selfless offering. Exactly like the advocates of persons like KASAAB OF PAKISTAN. No "uchit uttar" lol. Plz make it. Karna was a cheater, he being a human used "maya" to fight, Badmouthing the punjabi's (people of the country of five rivers. Although the term everyone may be an exaggeration made by Bhishma. But if we read BORI CE carefully , we can see some important narrations of Karna's digvijaya by Bhimshma, Dhritharashtra, Narada etc in more than over 7 places. Girivraja was the capital of Magadha and is now in modern day Bihar. Karna in Mahabharat is depicted as one of the most complex characters. He conquered them in his digvijay, their is sufficient proof for this. Karna plotted to murder the Pandavas in their childhood, prior to the introduction of Kripa (by vaisampayana). So he did not avenge his ghosha yatra defeat. Karna never defeated any Nishadas in his digvijay. Just removing the letter "v" was enough to change the identity of karna's victims. Karna only conquered Videha, Nagnajit, Gandhara, Ambhasta, Kamvoja etc. A username like "Unknown" is not good. Karna or Arjuna: Who was the real hero of Mahabharata? Karna was scared of Kichaka's brothers and he feared Kichaka. Analysis: So according to karna, bhima was a man that would never retreat from the battlefield as you karna fans claim that bhima retreated/fled from a weak man like karna. But the role of Karna’s in the Mahabharata is important all the same. UNFAIR DEATH OF KARNA FROM BORI CRITICAL EDITION Its time to expose another misconception spreaded by Pandavas fanatics. Karna went to the roof of the world (the Himalayas) and conquered everyone who lived their. Does it make any sense? And then there are the Kauravas, the bad guys. Yudhisthir never lied in this life except for once, If Lord Krishna didn't save the mighty Arjuna from Nagastra by lowering the chariot, then you won't be debating also about the might of Karna. Karna was the one of the culprit who insulted a woman in dice game where Pandavas were cheated by Durdodhyan and Sakuni. But, other versions of the Mahabharata such as Jaimini Bharata or Kumara Vyasa Mahabharata do not mention the event. According to BORI CE, hypocrite reporter vaisampayana has skipped the ‘Digvijay Conquest’ of Karna during live telecast of reporting. Karna did not ever conquer Matsya kingdom. Tell me the name of the weed you are on????? According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna was weaponless, chariotless and heedless, enaged in extracting wheel of chariot when Arjuna aimed Karna from backside and Shiva shot arrow in order to rectify unarmed target of Arjuna According to BORI CE, Lord Krishna blaming Karna for varnavrat conspiracy in section-90 of karna parv is an interpolation. And he, after a hard conflict, brought the hero under subjection, and, O best of monarchs, made Drupada contribute silver and gold and gems, and also pay tribute. In facts he was the greatest curse of the society. He also says the most important king defeated by Karna is Nagnajit. On Duryodhana’s behalf, Karna led an expedition there. According to BORI Critical Edition of Mahabharatha, Karna's Digvijaya is an interpolation.BORI removed it from Vana Parva in their Critical Edition of Mahabharatha. Karna did not conquer Shalya and the Madra kingdom either. I guess Karna fans can be proud of this achievement. Definition of the word "plots" (from a google search). Funny that all the compliment is either political move or exaggeration from the PERSPECTIVE of author. According to B.Debroy translation of BORI CE, Kshtriya Karna failed to string bow in draupadi swayamvara contest in cross reference. Watching tv shows and putting some irrelevant comments doesn't make any sense. The Kamvojas lived in the hindu kush mountains (modern day Afghanistan). But, Bhishma, Kripa, Shalya and Dhritarashtra narrate about the failures of Karna in the Virata War. There you can shut all the mouths of Karna fans . He was a great servent but not great warrior. It was not just a war between stars of your choice. When we talk about the Mahabharata, we fondly recall Lord Krishna, Arjuna, and Yudhisther. धर्मो रक्षति रक्षितः ।. Strange it may seem but Karna held a beef with the Gandharas too (Sakuni & Gandhari's tribe). The evil sins of Karna according to Bori Critical ... Karna conspired to kill the Pandavas after the defeat of Drupada and before the burning of the lac house. The Varnavrata episode was the doing of Duryodhana. In fact, according to BORI, Drupada was a poor warrior who was not a worthy rival to Vrishasena, Duryodhana or Jayadratha, moreover, Drupada could never defeat a warrior in his life. This means in secrecy, and it is basically the same definition as before for the noun. That’s why he is addressed as Sutaputra. Since many people have doubts about Satyaki's capability's and use Bori Mahabharata as an excuse making statements like it removed all of Satyaki's achievements etc, i am going to make this post with proof and screenshots from the text of Bori … I also found it their too so Karna basically defeated a father-in-law (Sasur) of Krishna. The evil sins of Karna according to Bori Critical Edition. In Drona Parva this is how they are described. go read mahabharath.It was'nt even a naagastra. Duryodhana performed a sacrifice that only Vishnu ever performed. There was no 'cheating' in the first 2 wars.. so Karna is definitely NOT stronger than Arjuna – ram Apr 4 '17 at 14:23 The BORI scholars have concluded that he was not. People say that the critical edition (BORI) … BORI says karna never fell unconscious. Karna did not believe in using immoral ploys to defeat the Pandavas; he believed in battle. they are equivalent to Mrityunjaya. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna was weaponless, chariotless and heedless, enaged in extracting wheel of chariot when Arjuna aimed Karna from backside and Shiva shot arrow in order to rectify unarmed target of Arjuna. Analysis: According to BORI Karna never defeated any Gandharva in his life. Quite biased statements only a desperate person can give to look down upon such a great character like Karna. Can you counter this argument??? A/C to BORI, the statement of vaisampayana in section-199 where he narrates about Yudhistira presenting an examples of 'Polyandry ' are an interpolations. I know i have that username, but you never asked me to make an account on quora. Period. Once, Chitrangada, the king of Kalinga, hosted a Swayamvara (self-choice marriage ceremony) for his daughter Bhanumati. Analysis: Note that "all the kings" would include the princess's father. BORI scholars after 50 years research found out that the statement of lord krishna was interpolation to justify unfair death of Karna Conclusion : Karna … He is the spiritual son of the Vedic deity- Surya ("sun god") and princess Kunti (queen of the Pandavas), and thus a demigod of royal birth. He must be punished. While according to Romesh C. Dutt's translation, Arjuna simply defeated Duryodhana while dodging the other warriors. They were people who are skilled in warfare, they were mountaineers, and lived in the Himalayas protected by fortresses. Is there any evidence that Karna feared kichakas, did not fight jarasandh , did not go for war during Pandava's exile. Rajapura was the capital of the Kamboja kingdom. - Karna and Arjuna are two valiant warriors, both important characters in the great Hindu epic, the … Karna your dad and i am your biggest dad.... Karna jealousy person the pandavas are all there for you You remain happy by creating your own fake story, https://logicastra.blogspot.com/2017/05/karna-vs-satyaki.html, Karna's digvijaya as per BORI Mahabharata. These people lived in Lahore (modern day Pakistan) lol. Karna is among the most popular and complex characters in the Mahabharata, showing both nobility and nastiness over the course of the story. Videha has a capital called Mithila. The entire article is about "I think, I presume,....." Best example of weed damaging brain cells completely, Yudhisthir told Arjuna before the final war that Karna can conquer the three worlds with ease. Kunti was granted the boon to bear a child with desired divine qualities from the gods without her knowledge, later upon … Yeah right biased for the truth. According to BORI Critical Edition, Karna never fell unconscious rather he was just stunned (amazed) Karna swooning episode is an interpolation as per BORI Critical Edition of mahabharata. 16. Karna plotted to murder the Pandavas in their childhood, prior to the introduction of Kripa (by vaisampayana). Here is some more information about them -. Karna seiged Rajapura and killed most of the warriors of the Kambhoja clan. It's a big misconception that Arjuna killed Karna by cheating and by using unfair means but according to BORI CE which is the most authentic version of Vyasa Mahabharata, Arjuna killed Karna in a fair fight.All the references provided here are from Bibek Debroy translation of BORI CE Infact nowhere it is written that karna regained his sense so losing sense is out of context. According to Manu Smriti, the people who have a Kshatriya father and Brahmin mother are of Suta caste (charioteer class) MUST READ: Different names of Karna in Mahabharat | Karna is not his original name But unlike the author who demeaned the second greatest KURU after Bhisma, I won't demean Arjuna. The Ramayana and the Mahabharata. 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